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4 years 1 month ago #1830 by bames
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I finally dove head first into an LS based engine swap for the mustang. The swap has had a little bit of scope creep and is now basically a complete rebuild of the car. New engine, trans, clutch, wiring, fuel system, cooling system, front and rear suspension.

Over the past couple of weeks, I have been able to get the following installed.
Tubular K-member, adjustable lower control arms, Koni Adjustable struts and coil overs, steering rack bushings, steering shaft, bump steer adjustable tie rod ends, camber-caster plates, and a relocated sway bar.

The engine is just about ready to be placed into it's new home. A few minor alterations to the engine mounts, install the clutch and bellhousing, and it is ready to bolt in.

I have been too busy working on the car to take many photos, but I will try to spend some time to take a few and post them for your viewing pleasure.

18 days, and many hours of work, until Gingerman.

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4 years 1 month ago #1831 by Spectator Racing
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Some cars come with LS's right from the factory :evil:

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4 years 1 month ago #1832 by bames
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Spectator Racing wrote: Some cars come with LS's right from the factory :evil:


Yep, but mine didn't. Had car, needed engine, now have gigantic project to finish.

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4 years 1 month ago #1834 by HeadBall
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Spectator Racing wrote: Some cars come with LS's right from the factory :evil:


Did C4 Corvettes?

When two just won't do...

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4 years 1 month ago #1838 by bames
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I promised some photos. Here is the engine going in for the initial test fit.



I found a minor interference with the C6 pan and the K-member. It is holding the engine about an inch above the mounting tabs. Looks like I need to source an F-body pan and parts to make this thing fit.

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4 years 1 month ago #1839 by HeadBall
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Looking good Gramps. That shiny paint is nice.

Check GMpartsdirect for the pan parts you need.

Ken

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4 years 1 month ago #1840 by bames
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Ken,
The needed parts are on order. Now to find something else to work on while I wait for delivery.

That shiny paint should add at least 10 Hp to the car. I just tried to cover up the firewall patches I welded in, then got carried away and cleaned and painted the entire engine bay.

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4 years 1 month ago #1841 by bames
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A few more pics from the project.

Control Arms after a trip through the blast cabinet and painting.


Custom Fuse and Relay module for the new wiring system.

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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #1844 by Red06
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bames wrote: I just tried to cover up the firewall patches I welded in, then got carried away and cleaned and painted the entire engine bay.


As we say in the Army, "Requirements Creep" :lol:

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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #1846 by eficalibrator
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Scope Creep, I love it! Tell me about it... :whistle:

Good to see you making progress too, and making good use of the parts. Can't wait to see the finished product.

Meanwhile, in Michigan...

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4 years 1 month ago #1848 by bames
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Red06 wrote: As we say in the Army, "Requirements Creep" :lol:


Joe, this pretty much sums up the entire project.

Greg, nice to see another mustang getting a non-stock engine transplant.

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4 years 1 month ago #1849 by Red06
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eficalibrator wrote: Scope Creep, I love it! Tell me about it... :whistle:

Good to see you making progress too, and making good use of the parts. Can't wait to see the finished product.

Meanwhile, in Michigan...


Greg,

What engine is that? That rear port is interesting looking. I thought you said you were doing a turbo 4 cyl. Can't tell if that's a 4 or a 6 cyl.

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4 years 1 month ago #1850 by AddictedtoTrack
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Where is the other half???

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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #1851 by Spectator Racing
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The C4 had an LS6 option.

Is it going to be ready for April 11?
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4 years 1 month ago #1852 by bames
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I am trying to have it ready by then. As long as I spend every night and weekend in the garage it my happen.

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4 years 1 month ago #1856 by lbk16
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Gramps, you know you should just bring it to Gingerman...you can work on it there. B)

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4 years 1 month ago #1857 by bames
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Lee, why would I want to work on my own car at the track?

I made a little more progress over the weekend. The engine and trans are now in the car. Intake manifold was altered to allow for connection of the brake booster vac line. Engine harness is currently being altered and fitted to the engine.

Photo of the clutch and flywheel:


Engine is in place and the wiring is starting to come together:

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4 years 1 month ago #1858 by lbk16
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bames wrote: Lee, why would I want to work on my own car at the track?


Want, of course not...I'm just saying that if you need to work on your car, it seems like the track is as good of a place as any. Here's to you finishing her up before Gingerman!

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4 years 1 month ago #1861 by eficalibrator
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Gramps, where's the rest of that clutch? That thing is tiny. It's a good thing you have three of them.

Red06 wrote: What engine is that? That rear port is interesting looking. I thought you said you were doing a turbo 4 cyl. Can't tell if that's a 4 or a 6 cyl.


It's a Ford Duratec I4, specifically a 2.5L i-VCT from a 2010 Escape. The back cylinder has a weird connection to the EGR path that makes things look funny at the header flange. Don't worry, the turbo will hide most of that. ;)

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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #1865 by bames
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My latest evening project. Now I can properly adjust the tie rod links.

Greg,
It is indeed tiny. 5.5" triple disks. The entire flywheel and clutch assembly tips the scales at around 14 pounds. The stock LS flywheel alone is close to 30#.
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4 years 1 month ago #1866 by Mini Balls
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Dropped the practice motor in the Mini Sunday. Guess I should have stopped and taken a picture but it went in too smooth. Obviously too much practice pulling it last year and not enough engine building skill. :whistle:
Had to do a little re-wiring tonight before firing it up. Life is good. Got oil pressure and a satisfying rumble. :)

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4 years 1 month ago #1881 by bames
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John,
Glad to hear the car is back up and running.

Latest update on my project.
Fuel system is completed, no pictures as most of it is under the car.

Fabricated a mount for the new power distribution block, ECM, and eventually the switch panel.


Still need to finish up the opening for the shifter.

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4 years 1 month ago #1882 by AddictedtoTrack
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Looks cool G, So I take it the shifter location wasn't an issue?

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4 years 1 month ago #1883 by bames
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AddictedtoTrack wrote: Looks cool G, So I take it the shifter location wasn't an issue?

The shifter fits after I opened up the tunnel a bit. The shifter sits closer to my leg now, so I may need to either add a spacer between the handle and the trans input, or make a new handle.

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4 years 1 month ago #1884 by AndyW
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Will we see you in 6-days making Chevy colored exhaust? :woohoo:

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4 years 1 month ago #1885 by bames
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Andy,
Still too early to tell, but everyday it looks less and less achievable.

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4 years 1 month ago #1886 by AndyW
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Complete one hot lap. You'll be everyone's hero.

Good luck Gramps

Andy

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4 years 1 month ago #1887 by HeadBall
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AndyW wrote: Complete one hot lap. You'll be everyone's hero.

Good luck Gramps

Andy


Very true.

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4 years 1 month ago #1888 by bames
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I am officially throwing in the towel on my attempt to have the car ready for this weekend. I have too much work to wrap up before it is even ready to fire up the engine for the first time. One thing I have learned over the last several years, is that rushing to get the car ready is a sure way to ruin a weekend.

The car will be on track at Grattan next month.

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4 years 1 month ago #1890 by AndyW
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:(

Hang in there Gramps

Andy

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4 years 1 month ago #1892 by sig11
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Damn. That's too bad.

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4 years 1 month ago #1895 by TopHeavy
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Sad Panda. :(

Stay In It!

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4 years 1 month ago #1896 by bames
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Progress is still being made, it was just a bit too involved to wrap up in a month.

I am figuring out the exhaust BS now. It turns out that the Mustang LS swap headers do not work with the Griggs K-member without some modifications. Since it probably isn't a good idea to put 1"+ deep dimples in the primaries, I need to reroute a couple of tubes (#1,#2, and #3). Time to pull the brake booster and master cylinder to make room for the test fitting.

I'm not sure yet, but the #1 and #3 tubes may have to wrap around the K-member, and be attached with slip joints or custom flanges to make them removable.

See you all this weekend.

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4 years 1 month ago #1898 by JScottGT
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Nobody likes a quitter! :P

Sounds like with the latest hiccup, you had no chance of getting it done anyway. Looking forward to seeing the final result at Grattan next month. See ya out there tomorrow.

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4 years 1 month ago #1899 by bames
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JScottGT wrote: Nobody likes a quitter! :P

Sounds like with the latest hiccup, you had no chance of getting it done anyway. Looking forward to seeing the final result at Grattan next month. See ya out there tomorrow.


I guess I should have expected issues like this. Who convinced me that this swap was going to be easy? Andy, hopefully you are taking notes, as I know this type of conversion has crossed your mind once or twice.

On a positive note, I just thought of an additional benefit to pulling the brake booster. It will make for easier access for fitting the clutch master cylinder.

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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #1900 by AndyW
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bames wrote: Andy, hopefully you are taking notes, as I know this type of conversion has crossed your mind once or twice.


I am taking notes, and that conversion is every bit the monster job I thought it'd be. Exactly the reason I didn't attempt it - kudos to you Gramps for taking it on.

See you all in approximately 25 hours. But who's counting?
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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #1901 by lbk16
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AndyW wrote:

bames wrote: Andy, hopefully you are taking notes, as I know this type of conversion has crossed your mind once or twice.


I am taking notes, and that conversion is every bit the monster job I thought it'd be. Exactly the reason I didn't attempt it - kudos to you Gramps for taking it on.

See you all in approximately 25 hours. But who's counting?


My brain has officially stopped thinking about work or anything work-related. It is unfortunate that I have a meeting (with the guy the firm is named after) that I cannot miss tomorrow...I am sure my performance will be stellar.
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4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago #1903 by eficalibrator
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Brian, what about OEM LS7 headers/manifolds? Will those fit? Tests have show that these make almost the same power as longtubes in most applications.

In other news:

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4 years 1 month ago #1904 by bames
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Looking good Greg. Where is the rest of it?

I have tried a couple of different stock manifold setups with no success. I'm not sure about the LS7 manifolds. I think the biggest issue with them would be steering shaft clearance. I have heard that the 2010 Camaro manifolds will fit, but I also heard that these swap headers fit, so who knows. I think the best course of action is to customize the Dynatechs and be done with it. I already have them, and modifying a couple of tubes shouldn't be too difficult.

I have dimpled them enough to fit now, but I am still thinking that I need to re-route these tubes. It turns out that it is just #1 and #2 that need some attention. The #2 primary will be relatively easy, as there is plenty of room to bring the tube toward the block. #1 will probably need to loop around the K-member to maintain steering shaft clearance, but there is a possibility of running it under #3 and down next to #5 (Assuming I can keep clearance for the spark plug wires).

Time to practice up on tube cutting and TIG welding again.

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4 years 1 month ago #1905 by eficalibrator
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It will have low door bars that run about the top of the seat cushions in height toward the kick panels. I think I'm also going to make tabs to connect the main hoop to the B-pillars at the upper seat belt mounts.

I have a set of LS2 (TBSS) and LS3 (C6) exhaust manifolds in the basement if you want to go that route.

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4 years 1 month ago #1925 by bames
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I started the work on the header modifications. It was a bit nerve racking at first, nothing like buying a part and then cutting it into pieces. Thankfully the bandsaw made quick work of removing the collector and severing the primary in a spot suitable for welding.

Here are a couple of photos of the new tube routing. I now need to weld it up and re install the collector. I didn't take a photo of the original routing, but it ran along the #3 tube.


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4 years 3 weeks ago #1958 by AndyW
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What's the latest Gramps? Smoke? Noise? On track at Grattan?

Andy

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4 years 3 weeks ago #1961 by bames
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No noise or smoke generated yet. I was able to get both headers modified, just need to weld the collectors on and add the O2 bungs and flanges.
Due to the limited clearances around the K-member, I decided to go with solid mounts on the engine and trans. I fabricated these and installed them last weekend.
The next piece of the puzzle is going to be installing the clutch master cylinder. I hope to get to work on that early next week.

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4 years 5 days ago #1999 by bames
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Thanks to Ken for spending the weekend wrenching, wiring, fabricating, etc. Thanks to the joint effort, the engine was fired up for the first time in its new home. Unfortunately, at idle it is only making around 10 psi of oil pressure. It is now time to pull it and open it up again. I'm not sure what it may be, but need to start looking as another event is going to slip by with it parked in the garage on stands.

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4 years 5 days ago #2000 by Red06
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Bummer!

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4 years 5 days ago #2001 by AndyW
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bames wrote: Thanks to Ken for spending the weekend wrenching, wiring, fabricating, etc.


You didn't let Ken install the oil pump, did you? He can be... forgetful. Details like O-rings and such.

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4 years 5 days ago - 4 years 5 days ago #2008 by Spectator Racing
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Gramps I have a brand new truck oil pump if you need it. I was going to put it in the LS2 but ended up selling the motor. It's the LS4 pump or something like that.

It's good for about 40-50 psi at idle, 80 psi at full throttle. It's what most of the 'vette guys run in the race cars.
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4 years 5 days ago #2009 by bames
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Andy,
Ken did not install the oil pump. But then again, I was involved in installing his pump so the oring is still in question. I know it was in place, but i may have kinked it or not fully seated it.

Cisler,
It already has a new pump, so I'm not sure what the issue is. It is pumping fluid as witnessed by removing the cooler line and the pressure transducer, but not building pressure. Suspecting either an improperly sealed pickup tube, or a stuck pressure bypass. I won't know for sure until I get a chance to dig into it. This wont be for a few days, as I am travelling for work three days this week.

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4 years 1 day ago #2033 by bames
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I think I figured out the oil pressure issue.
It looks like i should have researched the AFM disabling requirements a little more. I reused the AFM valley cover with the VLOM solenoids removed. I was thinking that the AFM towers, which i blocked, supplied oil to the VLOM. WRONG!! The oil is provided from the oil passage that contains the oil pressure sending unit, then it goes to the VLOM solenoid and finally through the AFM tower to the DEAC lifter. Since the cover had the solenoids removed, the oil is dumping directly into the lifter valley.

No restriction, NO pressure.

At least it looks like it will be an easy fix that doesn't require pulling the engine.

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4 years 1 day ago #2039 by AddictedtoTrack
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paceperformance.com/i-8146332-12598832-cover.html 37$ for a cover. Better check the part number but found the link saying it was the correct LS3 cover

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